Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Haile Selassie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: keep. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Haile Selassie
The entire text of a speech is not what WQ is about. This page should either be trimmed to a few memorable quotes (and properly sourced) or else deleted in its entirety. ~ UDScott 13:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closed. Result: keep (five votes to keep, one vote to delete). —LrdChaos (talk) 16:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless the page is cleaned up to only include a few memorable quotes that are properly sourced. ~ UDScott 13:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep after Jeff's work to clean this page up. ~ UDScott 21:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 16:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep with the improvements. —LrdChaos (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikisource. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 17:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: as the text is presumably still in-copyright and not published under a free license, it doesn't qualify for Wikisource either. 121a0012 05:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as rewritten. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 16:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per UDScott. 121a0012 05:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep now, after I deleted the speech and replaced it with quotes from Haile Selassie. This article was actually a copyvio of H.I.M. Haile Selassie I, from BobMarley.com, as can be seen by the identical introductory text. Incidentally, transwiki'ing the actual speech (perhaps to Haile Selassie's 1963 U.N. speech) is still a reasonable option. According to s:Portal:Speeches/Copyright, Wikisource will "host such speeches only when they are political speeches by a political figure, as we take the view these are not protected by copyright". Although the (original) source is a copyrighted book, neither it nor the website can copyright the transcription of a speech, or at least that seems to be WS's position. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: There seems to be some confusion between Wikipedia, Wikiquote, and the website about the speech, anyway. The only readily available source, the website, indicates this speech was given in 1963, but the WP article says it was 1968. All sources claim this speech somehow informed Bob Marley's song "War", but Marley's lyrics are much more to the point than anything I found in the Selassie transcription, including the supposed quote listed in WP (which I transferred here). This says to me that this claim needs a reliable source, which significantly disinclines me to do the transwiki, unless these discrepancies are resolved. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have now added at least premlinary sources for all four current quotes. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


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