Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Helen Vrousia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. — Jeffq 19:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Helen Vrousia
Not notable. ~ UDScott 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closed. Result: delete (2 Deletes; 1 Keep from anon whose only contributions are to this article and VfD entry; no notability evidence provided). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless evidence of notability is provided. I couldn't find anything on this person (even using a variety of spellings for the name) online. I also did a search on Columbine-related books on a couple of sites (B&N, Amazon) and couldn't find anyone close to this name. Does this person even exist? ~ UDScott 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with UDScott about evidence. Based on the writing and spelling, I wouldn't be surprised if the name itself is misspelled, making it impossible for anyone but the article creator to identify this person. If she is an author of a "500-paged book", surely this anonymous editor can provide the title and maybe even the ISBN? I'm not going to hold my breath, though. There are far too many quotes in this article that are more vanity than profundity. It might even be a hoax article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think that you are way too cruel. The author is just 17, and people deserve chances. The name of the book -which has been added- is called "Good wombs have born bad sons" and it has been published in Greece alone, so it is natural not to know it. And why would someone spend so much time to write about a person that doesn't even exist? And you gotta admit that some of the quotes are pretty good. ~ David Raymond 22:38, 30 March, 2006 (UTC)
 * The above text was added by 213.170.204.59 rather than the currently non-existent username "David Raymond" as originally claimed. This may have just been a misunderstanding about user registration and usernames. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The purpose of Wikiquote is not to promote new authors with no significant audience yet. It is to collect quotations from established, notable people and creative works. The only hits I find for the phrase "Good wombs have born bad sons" are the expected quotes from and citations of William Shakespeare's The Tempest and from Columbine shooter Eric Harris's academic planner, presumably quoting Shakespeare. We have found no one named "Helen Vrousia" thus far, and the information that she is a 17-year-old Greek neither helps us verify any supposed work, nor suggests she is likely to be considered notable by WikiMedia project standards. This is not a personal issue; it's just not the quote material that Wikiquote collects. You might try establishing an article for Ms. Vrousia at Greek Wikiquote, as she may be more notable in Greece. As for why someone would write about a person who doesn't exist, it's the same reason people write viruses and deface websites — it amuses them. We get hoax articles like all the time at Wikiquote. The only way we can ensure that we have accurate quotes from real people is to source and verify them, which is why we've asked for such information. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


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