Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Macedonism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism
I'm not sure how to describe the way this article strikes me, but it does not seem to me appropriate for a compendium of quotations. (It seems closer in spirit to the "Definitions of X" articles which have been discussed before.) The question again arises: are the people quoted notable? Who translated these works, and are the translations reliable or verifiable? 121a0012 03:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closed. Result: delete (5 deletes, incl. 1 implicit; 1 keep; sources not provided in English). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: This article appears to be an attempt at a "backing" quote article for Macedonism. We've talked about using articles to include quotes cited or alluded to in Wikipedia articles, but I don't think we have any actual policy on this. (It is, as far as I recall offhand, a novel use of Wikiquote.) Whatever the case, this article should be formatted more along WQ than WP guidelines, and the sources described in English (with, as 121a0012 said, cited translations, or else they can't really be sources for en:WQ or en:WP). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless more notable, and properly formatted and cited quotes are added. ~ UDScott 13:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only one of the three quotes actually seems to be about Macedonism; the other seem to simply use the term. Having the sources available in English would be a definite plus, though. —LrdChaos (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Delete because of bad formatting? Why not improve it instead of deleting. FunkyFly 17:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There are sources provided for the quotes, so they can certainly be verified. FunkyFly 17:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As I discuss in more detail at Talk:Macedonism, it is unreasonable to expect en:Wikiquote readers to verify information that is insufficiently specific to easily identify (no dates or publication details) or not given in English (or even in a Latin alphabet). I believe this problem can be resolved by someone familiar with the works. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is fundamentally POV, in that the quotes are there to advance one opinion on Macedonism. The sources cited are not cited in such a way as would permit checking (no page numbers, no indication of which edition of the newspaper mentioned). I also share the concern that these are just random quotes which happen to use the term; they aren't particularly well expressed. If any of the quotes is of real historical significance then it could go in a general article about Macedonia. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 00:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless quotes properly sourced in English. If they are, I support keeping it to collect backing quotes from Wikipedia, although I realize we'll get some spillover from the POV arguments in Macedonism. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


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