Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/McLeod's Daughters


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The result was: . Delete. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 11:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

McLeod's Daughters
Probable copyvio from IMDB. 121a0012 06:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closed: Result: Delete.
 * Delete. There's no probable about it; the original editor posted his offense directly above the quotes themselves: "[Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292414/quotes]". A quick check of the context lines, which have a unique IMDb style and are repeated verbatim, makes this copyvio obvious. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep : I'm not sure that I agree that this is necessarily a copyvio just because the quotes were taken from IMDB. They still are purported to come from the TV show (and a good percentage of our other film & TV pages were created using IMDB as a source). Granted, taking quotes strictly from IMDB leads to often erroneous lines, but that in itself doesn't automatically create a copyvio (at least in my mind). This page certainly needs cleanup, but I wouldn't say that it should be removed. ~ UDScott 22:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless valid quotes from the show are provided. I'm convinced, per LrdChaos' entry. ~ UDScott 21:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. On the one hand, quotes that appear on IMDB that are actually the quotes from the show don't have any copyvio issues (with IMDB, at least). On the other, there are frequently quotes added to IMDB that are so wrong, they're effectively new creations and thus are "owned" by the submitter/IMDB (I'm not familiar with how, if at all, this is handled at IMDB). The same holds true for the context lines, and more importantly, the particular process of selection of quotes; Wikiquote can't simply reproduce the contents of IMDB's quote pages for the same reason that we can't simply provide the full text of various quote collection books: the selection of which quotes to display is likely to yield a "derivative work" which is copyrightable: "A “derivative work,” that is, a work that is based on (or derived from) one or more already existing works, is copyrightable if it includes what the copyright law calls an “original work of authorship.” Derivative works, also known as “new versions,” include such works as translations, musical arrangements, dramatizations, fictionalizations, art reproductions, and condensations. Any work in which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship is a derivative work or new version. Source:"Whether the IMDB list constitutes an "original work of authorship" is probably best left to the lawyers, but I think it's best to err on the safe side and not take the chance. I also think that we should, as a matter of policy, note that it is not OK to simply copy directly from IMDB, both for reasons of reliability and copyright. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 17:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.