Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Warcraft


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: replace with trimmed version. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Warcraft
This computer game article appears to be an attempt to document every utterance — no matter how trivial, inane, or unoriginal — from every character in every installment of the series, which is a blatant copyright violation. On top of that, it makes no attempt to identify where each specific "quote" can be found — instead, sorting it exclusively by character — making it totally impractical to attempt to verify anything. (This, by the way, is why I am so against grouping quotes by character, even for films — it confounds verification attempts.) Wikiquote is not a transcription service. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closed. Result: replace. While there were more "delete" votes than "replace", I think that Wikiquote is better served by replacing the article than deleting it, and I believe that the new version adequately deals with the initial concerns that triggered most of the delete votes. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete unless article trimmed to pithy, original quotes identified by game and scene for sourcing purposes. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace with Robert's version (see below), by copy-and-paste (rather than delete-and-move) to preserve the edit history, but adding Robert's draft's history to the talk page so everyone gets proper credit. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Jeff Q. 121a0012 01:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * DO NOT DELETE: I don't think the page Warcraft violate copyright. It is nothing more than a list of dialogues. If it was true that the Warcraft did violtate copyright, then so did the page The_Matrix. Why not delete the page The_Matrix together? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zhangyunfan (talk • contribs) 04:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete unless trimmed to essentials. I disagree that this is just like the page for The Matrix. For instance, many people say "yes", "no", "uh..." in that film without the page documenting it. There are MANY utterances in that film not listed in the page (though I do think the page should be trimmed). I think what we want to see in a Game or Movie or TV quote is something that EITHER is worth quoting on its own (like "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path." in the Matrix) or that resonates with people who have seen the piece (like "Wake up, Neo." in the Matrix). Minor characters saying "yes" or "no" doesn't cut it. As for copyvio, the closer you come to copying every line from a piece, you farther you get from a reasonable defense for fair use. --Ubiquity 05:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was going to respond to Zhangyunfan's complaint in detail, but Ubiquity pretty much covered my thoughts. I would add that The Matrix probably could use some trimming, too, and I don't think its quotes collected by character are satisfactory because they also require watching the whole film to verify. But Warcraft's problem is much more severe, as (A) it makes no attempt to provide any contexts that could help an editor verify quotes, and (B) it appears to be a complete or nearly complete transcription, which is unarguably a copyvio. Even 10% of quoted dialog is beyond fair use. It must be a select, pithy subset. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I concur with Ubiquity and Jeffq. —LrdChaos (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with Jeffq & Ubiquity. ~ UDScott 15:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have an extremely trimmed-down version of the article at User:Jaxl/Warcraft if anyone wants to take a look and see if that is an acceptable replacement. (I own two of the games in the series, so I can certainly provide more quotes if needed). -- Robert 16:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Robert, this version looks much better -- I would vote to trim the existing page down to something like this (I'm assuming you are still working on it). Good job! ~ UDScott 16:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree that Robert's version is much more in line with WQ article expectations. The quotes he selected seem pithy and unique enough, too. There may be more from the current article that can be salvaged; I'm not especially concerned about the quantity as long as it's well below copyvio limits. Robert's version may or may not be the best end result, but it is at least the model to follow. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace with Robert's version of article. - InvisibleSun 22:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace with trimmed version. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 18:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.